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Hello all fello zoners. I have seen other poasts on hear, and in doing so, I've been inspired to investagate what websites offering money for what ever reason like surveys and crap, are scams, and what websites arn't. During this investagation, taking 1 year exactly to the day, I think I found a lijit, fun, active way to make money online. I will let you all know now, yes, you will have to pay monthly after your free tryal. Don;t let that have you running away from this poast just yet, this company has alot to offer. When you refer people to the program, you receve $1 per person. Now, if you refer 5 people, you will make $5. The more people you refer the more money you make. But not only that, you get payd up to 5 jenerations under you. so how ever many people your refferrers bring in, you will get payd also. So ok. Lets say you refer 5 people. and the people that you have refered bring in 5 people each, your toatle earnings would be $25. In addition to this, you will earn that comition monthly. Their is alot more to this program. Oh, I forgot to say that you have a 7 day free tryal, then after that its only $10 a month. This is really exciting. Because for that price, you receve 10 of your own emails. Not many of uswher around for the .com explosion. The early members who got their .com sites are probably some of the moast top payd people. Something knew is coming to town. It is called, .ws. You can get up to 10 emails at for example your.name@your website.ws. Thats right, you also get your own custum made website. The thing is I don't know how much longer this could be happening for. I am looking for cearious people, and cearious people only. If you want to know more about the program, because believe me, their is alot more, send me a zone message..it is invitation only. Take advantige of the free tryal. I will always be around to answer questions if you need help with the program. Hope I hear from some of you. P.s: their is no limit as to how many people you can refer to the program.
Sorry, this is a program of the same nature as most scams. You can put any fancy bells and wistles you want on it, but in the end, it's just another pyramid scheme. And before you try to dispute it, everything you just said in your earlier post completely validates my previous statement.
I'm going to be very blunt here, and I'm sorry, but if you have a piece of shit, you can mold it into a starfish, color it blue, wrap it in gift wrap, and guess what? It's still shit.
There's no concrete product here, it's a form of multilevel marketing, and the only people who wil ever make any serious money with this are those who are at the very top. and guess what? They had to do a lot of hard work disguising this as a wonderful job opportunity, scamming people, and you caught the bate. Sorry to say.
Think what you will. This coming from someone who hasn't even got my invitation to see the whole packige.
As a matter of fact. I have a blog that tells you all about the program. Go hear
http://gdiblog.wwphp.ws
and judge for your self. Don't take this dudes word on it.
Well Writer some people can sale shit. Smile. I'm just not one of them.
Hear is a video that will help you understand a bit better as to what is going on hear. Did you miss the .com boom last molenium? visit this site.
http://worldsite.ws/wwphp
OP, you can make this as rosy as you want; that doesn't change the facts, though. I don't need to look into it, or contact you to find out more about this so called wonderful program that's actually a scam. maybe learn to do better research next time, buddy.
Not interested
I am going to leave it at this. This program works, it is not a scam dispite what some close minded people think, If anyone has an open mind. Or wants to look in to it further then contact me, otherwise have a nice day.
If it's not a scam, one would release details about the products or services sold or offered. Period. End of story.
thank you, leo. right on.
I agree Leo, This just sounds like another scam. and I wouldn't click on those links the OP posted.
I think I saw this one about 2 or 3 years ago when I first started looking into online business opportunities. Guess the need for the .ws wasn't as urgent as we thought. Also, has anyone ever gotten an email from a .ws address or gone to a .ws website?
If it's working for you, buddy, good for ya. As for me, I'll pass.
That's a red flag, along with the multiple spelling and gramattical errors in your posts.
It's funny that the original poster says you need to have an open mind to be interested in this, uh, opportunity. that's what they all say. lol. If open mind translates to assinine gulllibility, that's all good and well. In case you all forgot, this to the original poster especially, someone recently got banned on here for promoting a similar bouquet of shit.
Like I said, you can present me with a vaz of what you may call chocolate roses, but I'll still know it's shit. if it smells like shit, looks like shit and feels like shit, guess what it is. shit. I dont' touch shit, thank you very much. lol Too damn messy for me. And a waste of my time. of course you're going to post a bunch of links, especially to videos and explanations. Man. You have to be either very gullible or very desperate. Or a true and tried scammer. or all three. either way. Good friggin luck promoting this... bouquet of chocolate roses.
hahahahaha
I'm so sick and tired of this sort of scam. that's why I keep fighting the idiots who buy into them. Each and every single time I see one of these, you better believe I'll call the person out for what they're doing and what the, uh, opportunity really is. I hope no one else waistes there time posting this type of shit on the zone because, I'll be watching. :)
as will I.
Its funny. The amount of people coming to these boards for one reason. Thats to find a way to make a bit of extra money. When givin this oppertunitty, you all assume it is a scam before emailing me and getting just information. Did you no that asking for information is free? The reason why offilliate marketing doesn't work for some people is not because its a scam, but because most looking in to it are to fucking lazy to put in a little time and effort. If its such a scam, then why are you waysting your time poasting on my board? I am only looking for people who are actualy interested and will put in a bit of time. Not people who just talk to hear them selves talk. Their is no need to be horse fuckers about this. I'm giving people something that is working for me. If it is working for me, if your not to lazy, it will work for you to. Ither you want to check it out or not. And as for details, I releced some details in my verry first poast and stated that if you want to learn more, email me. Here that word, "learn". That means, if you like what you hear so far, then send me a messige saying you want to no more and I can give you all the details. And as for my spelling, how can you say it is a scam do to bad spelling...lol.
Ummm, because a professional would spell correctly. or is that only so in my world?
Ugh, right people, email me, says the Op. Email me so that I can take this scam and think of all the ways I can present it to you as, uh, not a scam.
Yep. Let's go, kids.
maybe he just wants a BJ, uh, I mean lollipop, afterwards.
Yeah, because you seem like a trustworthy source to have my email. Give me a break!
Let me ask you some question, since you don't want to answer any of our questions. We can play that game.
Why, if it is not a scam, are you getting so defentive and bent out of shape?
Why can't you just post the information here, if it's not a scam?
Why do you promote this on a site where many users are blind?
Do you think blind people are stupid, and easy targets?
How many people have actually used this, and can attest to it being benefitial?
Answer my questions, before you ask me any more stupid fucking ones, please.
My thoughts exactly. lol.
answer 1: Its a fact that most websites that offer remotely similar programs are scams. It is frustrating when people on this board think it is a scam before talking with me about the program.
answer 2: The reason why I didn't post every single bit of information is because honestly, there is so much information about it, I would rather deal with serius potential team members 1 on 1. I poast a brief summerie of the program, and if it appeals to some, then we can talk further about the program. I ask for serious team mates because it is a combination of your efforts, and the active partisipents that keep you going.
answer 3: I don't just poast on a site with blind users. Being blind my self, I know how hard it can be to find something good that pays besides living off the government. Every one who owns a buseniss, or is thinking of owning one, they need a website and a domain. They also need hoasting survice. Why not offer it to them? Every person you refer, you obtain a monthly income based on how many people have signed up on your team.
answer 4: I do not think that about blind people at all. They are pretty intelligent. Mor intellagent than some sighted people I know.
answer 5: I have personally talked with 6 people who have benifited from this program. In registering with the program, you will be in contact with people who have been successful.
Now that I have answered all your questions, let me ask a question relating to question 1. If I posted mor information about the product, would it, or would it not still look like another one of thoughs online scams? I posted to this site because I no alot of people on it. I wouldn't offer anything to my fello zoners if I wasn't sure that they could benifit from it or not.
Well, all good, but you can't say they will benefit. It can't be 100%, nothing is you must pay monthly to run. Only Salary jobs are 100% and you'll benefit unless you are fired, or laid off.
This also requires you to hustle others to join, and that is as stated above.
I think this does work for people that are good sells people, but everyone isn't, so they lose. I'd say most are not, or don't have many close people they know they can hustle, so they'll fail at this.
You are doing well, but promote it here, because you've got a large group of people that might try, and when they do who benefits?
Offer to pay 6 months of the monthly fee, being that is is fail proof, and you'll get people to try.
Smile.
Okay. For the first 10 people that sign up with me, I will pay for 2 Months of your package. Their are conditions how ever. Meet with me half way people. I will hand you $20 in your paypal, whitch covers 2 months of your survice, as long as you complete your learning bonus in under 8 weeks. Why do I have to complete my learning bonus in under 8 weeks? Like I have previously stated I'm looking for cearious people. If you don't complete your learning bonus in under 8 weeks, it shows me that you are cearious about this. Wayte I even have something better. If you complete your learning bonus, yes I will hand you $20, but our program will give you $25. Thats $55 dollars you've just made instead of $25. Also when you register with my program, you will get an extra week of your free tryal. How ever, if you don't complete your learning bonus in under 8 weeks, you will not receve your $25, or my bonus free tryal offer.
That sound appealing enough?
arn't cearious about this* sorry made a mistake in my last post.
also not 55. you will earn $45.
hmmmm, let me think. all these mistakes, and extra posts about, "oh, I meant this, not that," not to mention the fact it's clear you're getting pissed off cause many aren't falling for this, yep, I'll be right on that, buddy. hold your breath.
buseniss? seriously, OP, use spellcheck.
He's trying folks. I'll give him that.
This is the nature of his business, and he's doing good. Just write your pitches out first in work, or some program where you can check them,. Post them when you've got it all fixed up.
Now, see, someone has given you a tip. Smile.
I can't fault him for trying.
You know what my biggest issue with this topic is? Not the fact that it was posted; not the fact that he's trying to convince people to go for what I'm pretty sure is another pyramid scheme. No, it's the fact that he made what he claimed would be his final statement over 10 posts back, and has since responded to just about every opposing comment. the best comparison I have is a parent warning their child of their punishment if their behavior continues, only to fail to follow through when the behavior does indeed continue. this is not the type of person I want to seek a job opportunity through.
Other than that, I'll at least give him credit for not lying to try to get people to click a link, like a certain other someone.
For some people who think it is a scam, why do you keep coming back to my board then. The only way your going to know for your self is to sign up for free.
Some of you are truly amazing me right now. I love how the people who think that its a scam keep coming back to this board. This is real. We offer what everyone needs and wants. You think its a scam. Fine, but you cant judge until you have tried it for your self. That is like saying, "oh, that food tastes horrible." Even though they actually have never tried the food before. If you never try something, how can you say it's good?
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Oh jesus. So you are gullible then. God, I feel terrible for you. lol
Is this last post supposed to convince anyone of the legitimacy of your so-called opportunity for everyone? Dear god, this is like when a staggering drunk swears that he's sober, or when a kid says he didn't have candy with a chocolate-smeared face.
I come back to this board for two reasons, because I'm disgusted and because I'm slightly entertained. I have a real job, so I can afford to waste time on here once in a while as you spend yours hustling every tom, dick and harry.
My advice to you: get a real job. You know, the kind where you actually sell something other than a castle in the sky, or where you do a service for someone, fair and square and then get paid for it... That sort of thing. And if you need to learn how to write properly for the rest of us to take you at least semiseriously , go get an education. Nothing wrong with gaining at least a little knowledge. And, who knows, maybe someone might teach you how not to be gullible.
That's my advice to you.
Though Jess is right; At least you're not trying to disguise this by being truly deceptive like that sore loser who got banned from here a few weeks ago.
Guess I can give you props for that.
Well excuse the fuck out of me. The only reason why I have posted it on hear is because I'm actualy having success with it. If I wher so "gullable, I think I would advertise it on here with out seeing any success from the program.
The only people who think its a scam is on the zone. Everyone outside of this verry depressing website is enjoying it. You guys are the only ones judging before you try, what does that say about you?
I'm tired of debating with people who don't give something a look that could benifit them. This will be my last post. I have never in my life, seen people this bitchy about someone who is advertising a product...it seems that alot of zoners just love zone drama so I will leave you with this.
If you want to try it out, send me an email and I will give you an invitation.
If not, then fine. But their is no reason for you to have a period over it.
Good by.
Hope to hear from some of you soon.
Smart is the word.
Write, were you praying? I mean, "jesus, dear God, God, Heaven, and well you get the picture?
Wow. Very professional, cursing at everyone who's challenging you. Normally, I wouldn't care about something like that on this site. But when you're trying to present a job oppurtunity, don't you think the way you come across speaks volumes about this so-called job?
Hello again guys. I know I said that my last post was going to be my last post...but I've changed my mind. The only things I will post is the promotions I have going on.
Speaking of promotions, do you know why some don't have success in online marketing? They don't have leads. What are leads? These leads are a key component to being successful online. Leads are emails of people who have been noan to register with programs in the past, this giving companies access to share you with another company. I have a free gift for all who sign up. I have leads! A file containing over 2000 different names, email addresses, and actual addresses. This is all on the condition that you complete your learning bonus in under 8 weeks. And yes for anyone who is wondering, the 2 month 1 week promotional offer is included with your email leads list of over 2000 members. Pluss, I'll show you places to get leads for free. On top of this I have a marketing course for all.
so in toatle you get, free leads to help you get started, $20 to go towords your 2 free months, and $25 all for just completeing your learning bonus in under 8 weeks. I've also expanded the oppertunitty by 2 people. Now you get this if your part of the next 12 people on my team.
But it gets even better. I will give the next 6 people a leads list just for signing up. Thoughs 6 also have the chance to recieve the bonuses listed above.
Wonder if my email address is on that list of leads. LOL
With all the stuff about spam these days, that's just a bit scarey.
Leads... Just a fancy way of saying you will give these people a list of emails so they can spread the spam. Basically you're saying: sign up with me and complete this bullshit eight-week program, and I'll give you the opportunity to send unsolicited email to a bunch of poor fuckers who got sucked into this type of scam at one time or another.
Whatever happened to "we won't sell your information to third-party companies" guess that's barely ever true.
And does anyone else notice how this guy just posted three different promotions, each one seemingly more enticing than the other. Can you say...desperate? Hey, OP. if this so=called Job was really working out for you, you wouldn't have to be so desperately recruiting people who've already addressed your posts with a healthy amount of skepticism.
Promotions, my ass.
Here's a suggestion: don't ever say this post will be your last post, even if you intend it to be at the time, because every time you prove yourself wrong, you prove us right.
Fuck that. What I said about blind people before, allmost everyone on this bored is changing my mind. And as for saying it was my last post, I can change my mind when ever the fuck I feel like it. I can do what I want, I can even change my mind when I want. So hears what I'm going to do. I'm going to say fuck all of you. I was going to send out invitations, but I don't want people who are fucked in the head on my team. So I'm not offering anything to you people anymore. I don't need you guys. I'm already up to $300 a month. All you fuckwods had to do was check it out. Say its a scam all you want, but me personaly, I'm starting to make a tun of money from it. So I really don't need you blind people. You all just make things way the fuck more complacated. No wonder why I don't hang out with blindies anymore. The mijority of you all on this site are the worst for talking with. I thought I was being nice and trying to help some of you. But most of you are just iddiets. Even when you have no reason to be an iddiet. I was willing to take money out of my pocket for absolutely everyone who signed up. But what ever. I guess you all are fine being tards. The reason why I'm sounding angry is because I am. With every day that passes, I see people, only blind people, jumping to the ottomatic conclusion that I am scamming. Everyone else I've offered this to, has atleast checked it out, now they are staying with the program. So my question is, how come, even when something is free, and someone is offering to pay you money out of his own pocket, why the need to feel like most have to be cunts? Pardin my language, but that is the only way for me to discribe you. Its psymple really. I've made you an offer, ither you refuse it, or you give it a chance. So only the people who wern't being cunts on this board ...I've marked down the names so don't try to fuck with me, I'm still offering the deel to. Everyone else, fuck yall, your not needed, and just a wayst of everyones time. Fact, most cunty people end up being alone the wrest of there pithedic lives. I can be an ass when ever I want you know why? Because honestly, I don't need anyone hear. Weather you sign up or not, I'm really not losing out. Only people who are posting to this board are. I'm really dissappointed in my blind people. They say don't judge a book by its cover, yall judge a book by its cover even when you can't see the damn thing. Maybe you should read a bit of what's on the inside then make a disision as to weather or not it is right for you. Now not all blind people are like this...I fucking hope. So thoughs whos names arn't on my list, you do still have an oppertunitty. Everyone else, you say you don't want to try it anyways, so I guess you shouldn't have a problem then right?
Laters.
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You need to chill yo ass out man. Otherwise, you're going to end up as lonely and desperate as the rest of us, as you say we are.
woe, My toddler has less of a tantrum than you just did. Damn. Talk about desperate and lonely...
For your information though, I'll say this because I know i'm on your list of cunty people, I'm not desperate, and far from lonely. And last I checked I'm far from a "tard" as well.
And , I'm sorry to point this out to you but three hundred dollars a month is next to nothing. I hope you meant three thousand, judging by the energy and passion you put into this job of yours. lol. Otherwise, you're practically collecting cash scraps. lol. I hope you dont' have anyone else to support on your three hundred dollar a month stypend but yourself.
exactly. I hope you don't have any bills to pay, either.
I am a sexy, lonely, desperate, cuntish tard who loves drama. I know he didn't say I was sexy, but that's my opinion of myself. Lmfao.
time to put this idiot on ignore.
That did wonders for your reputation. wondrous loads of shit, that is. I hope you weren't still holding out for a person or two to get in touch, because any self-respecting person wouldn't after reading that post.
In defence $300 can help a person much. No, you can't support yourself, but it goes a long way to help if used correctly.
Some people in some states only receive that kind of money to live on period. You can knock it, but if you had it, well.
Smile.
Hell, I'd like to know where those states are.
Since my last post im up $675 a month. on top of income assistence. Like I give a fuck about my "reputation" lol. You are just strangers online. Why should I give a shit? lol:P
Because you insist on coming back to this board to post here. that's why. why even bother arguing your position if you don't care what we think about it? I mean, just the fact that you've come back once again to tel us how much money you've made, if that's even accurate, shows that either you're just a lowlife prick who likes to brag, or you're holding out hope that someone will still respond to your so-called "offer".
that said, I definitely have to give you credit for not running away when we called you on your bullshit like the last person who tried to do this. that takes guts. hey, I hadn't even written it off as a scam, and still don't to this day. the possibility is very likely, for sure, but I'm not going to go and report you for spam or anything like that. It's most of your responses that have really put up the red flags for me.
In fact, the whole pyramid scheme thing isn't actually a scam. it's just a very risky internet marketing venture that I would advise against trying unless losing some money won't hurt you in the long run. why do you think these things come with a monthly fee? because it's a gamble, and the company, if you want to call it that, wants to make sure they come out on top should your marketing venture fail, as they often do. Trust me, I've gotten caught up in enough of these things to know that's how it usually works.
You're just another overly dramatic, attention seeking, immature person who tries to manipulate people but does a shitty job of it. And, whatever you say or do at this point does not matter, because you've been put on the hot seat, and put in your place for good measure. You got way more than you anticipated.
No, he's a good hustler. Smile.
He gives a shit, because he's hoping to get some takers. It will make that $675 maybe 800. Lol
Really? There are states where benefits are only $300 a month? Which ones? Because those of us with family dependents who are struggling to get by would love to move there, since the tax rates on us working people will naturally be lower in those states.
Yes, sadly Leo there are. Here in Colorado if you are on Welfare you receive about that. Now of course you get housing free, or for about 10 dollars, and food stamps, but the money is low.
Some others on SSI only receive about 400. It depends on your case.
I know this for a fact, because we rent places to low income people, and that will be their imcome from time to time.
I am sure other places are low as well.
aww ocean dreem. Why the angry post. I just tell people what is hhelping me. I'm already at $722 as of 5 hours ago. This is so psymple. You never know if its spam untill you try it out. :P. You never know, it could really help the shit out of people who only get $400 a month. Honestly, its your guyses loss. I'm already at double. between dissibility and this, I'm up to $1628. A month. hmm, think I'm going to buy my mom the iphone 5. Also, maybe pay for a day for her at the spa. I love moola!
That's pretty selfish, and technically you could get your Disability check cut, if they found out what you were doing. All the more reason not to use this program, it's all going towards self-satisfaction. Sure, that's what people do with money, but I'd rather give to hard working, productive people in society than some guy who's trying to get by, and buying things like IPhones. What a disgrace.
Lol. Your pithedic. What ever. I'm just going to use this bored and brag about what I can do now. Bf and I wher thinking of booking a trip to mexico. I can buy what I want. Discrase, apple wouldn't think so.
I've been broke for to long. Now that I have this, that wont happen again. Now I can wayst money on what ever the fuck I want, and not have to worry about it because I'll make twice as much next month. So kiss my white, cemi hairy, tight ass.
Wow Wayne. I meant what I said in jest but I'm admittedly not that educated on government services things. Then again, if someone got $400 a month plus free housing, that would technicaloly mean they're getting a lot more.
If I say I make a certain amount a month, in the working world, that usually doesn't mean free housing. Housing is one of the more expensive things renters and homeowners alike pay for. So sounds like in those cases the numbers should be readjusted to say what people are actually getting, but I digress from this topic I guess, and it seems the more you learn about the government services things the more confused you get haha
300, to 675 to 720 in days? And extra 720 would help some of my selfish wishes too. Lol
Yeah, maybe you'll be making so much money that you can get off disability. Hey, now there's a thought.
Oh yeah, but then you'd lose your free housing, food stamps, free health care, and how ever much the government gives you each month and you'd have to spend your cough cough hard-earned cough cough, money on actually caring for yourself and your basic needs instead of buying fancy gizmos and taking trips.
Hmm, wouldn't that be the life.
yeah, and if you keep bragging about the fact you're on disability, and doing this, OP, you could get into serious trouble if you're found out. oh, but still, that's no big deal, right?
That's another thing. In calculating how much we pay out in benefits for people in dollar amounts, we never account for the health care costs. Us middle class stiffs earn a certain amount and out of that comes the housing, the health care, the car insurance for those that drive, the kids' expenses for school, etc. all of which we must come up with for ourselves. Just a little more of the perspective that DomesticGoddess was hinting at here. Ironic it is that the two classes least aware of this is the entitled rich and the entitlements poor.
Granted I am not complaining about having to pay for my own shit, or even that we take care of entitlements users, but they should be being honest with us when they say how much gets spent per person. No wonder the budget is runaway, because it's like nobody is keeping track, so nobody is budgeting for it? I dono, I have never worked in one of them places. And this is not a slight on thoe who need the system, more a slight on the system itself for not honestly telling the rest of us how much someone gets.
OP, you're just a young punk who doesn't know shit about life. I'm two years older than you, judging from reading your profile, and I may not know everything in the world but I do know this: 700 bucks a month is not very much if you're trying to get by on your own in this world. If you truly were supporting yourself on this paycheck of yours, you wouldn't be bragging about having the additional disability money to help you fulfill your materialistic dreams. It's people like you who cheat the system and make shit harder for people who really do need to use the resources. Getting IPhones, taking trips--try buying groceries and feeding your face and cleaning your hairy ass, as you call it, without the aid of government care. You wouldn't have much to brag about then. You'd just go on about trying to weezle some poor fucker into your "program" some more.
God, people these days don't know the value of a buck. I swear... Nor do they apreciate how much they rely on government subsidies.
Some pemple need to fall hard and eat dirt. And, judging by that cocky attitude, you'll probably have to pick yourself up when you do, because nobody will be around to help you up. So, if there's one thing you should take advantage of, it's this wake up call. Quit that lousy manipulative bull shit program, and be a productive human being. Otherwise, eventually, you won't be able to pull your head out of your ass.
Sorry folks, but the poster is not doing anything illegal or not abiding by the system.
Depending on the way the benefits are setup, it is perfectly correct to earn extra money. If you are receiving SSDI you are allowed about 13.000 extra per month.
This is actually a good thing for the system, because as your income goes up the extra benefits decrease, so the poster is actually helping to support himself.
Now if the poster is lucky enough, or smart enough, or whatever, to not have to use the extra gains on support, that is just life.
Some people are just lucky, or smarter, or fall in to things, like being born rich others don't get to benefit from.
720 per month would help anyone, my problem is the poster is promising you'll earn it on a program that might cost you more then you actually make.
This sort of thing is not for everyone and requires much hustling to earn anything, or using others to gain it.
I suppose, this isn't as bad as it seems, because business uses others to gain offten times without providing a legit product.
This is why I say Zoners are smart! They understand that by signing up they fatten the posters pockets, and my get theirs picked. Nothing wrong with smarts!
So just because it is not illegal makes it ok? I guess in that case it's ok for someone to stand in a public area and smoke a cigarette and blow smoke in people's faces, because technically it isn't illegal.
Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean it's right, by any stretch.
Ethics matter more than legalities, even though legal repercussions may not be issues, wayne. without an ethical stopper, a person's character is basically shit. Plenty of things are legal yet wrong. In fact, if laws weren't created for certain things to be illegal, they still would be legal, but would they be wrong? probably yeah.
This is frustrating, and it is why Fox News has all of us, myself included, gawking on in wild wonder and rage when we see entitlements abusers.
My wife's friend finally got disability and deserves it: she is really disabled not just like us having no sight. Two car crashes and poor treatment later, she hsa to use a walker and cannot get around very well even with that. I may have no vision but I am physically capable enough of a lot of things, including a robust workout regimen. But you'd have to be dumber than shit on a fence post to deny someone like the wife's friend a list of benefits: She can't sit up for long, has pain meds and tons of other things that are resultant from two, count 'em two, car crashes. Now that, there sirs, is one tough road. We as a society obviously need to sustain some people. And the programs designed to put people to work should be subject to the measuring stick of actual results, no fuzzy stuff, no psychology stuff, no religion stuff: X number of tax dollars results in Y number of people which equals z number of tax dollars as revenue. Period.
After all, that's how the rest of us have to justify our existence. After all, to the government and society we're worth what we contribute. That's the only way society can even stay afloat financially.
I am not talking about the program he's offering being legal or not, or right or wrong. I am talking purely about having extra income, and why it is perfectly legal, and correct in the system to have it as long as it is taxable, and this is, and is spent to move the economy on, and this will be.
You can get mad at how it's earned, but you can't touch it for wrongfully gotten gains.
What you do is say, no thank you, I'm not interested in your scheme. That way you'll not be helping earn that vacation.
You can also point out the folly of other excepting it, but you can't beat it with a stick.
Yes, Wayne. That's what they're talking about, too. If the program he was offering was illegal, he'd already be long gone. Also, the SSI laws you mentioned are for the US. Maybe you should research the Canadian ones before you say whether it's legal or not. And, if it is legal, everything the others have said still holds true: Legality and morality are two completely separate issues in many cases. But that's another topic entirely.
By the way, OP, you should probably take a look at most of your responses on this topic before you label someone else's post as being "angry". And if your posts aren't "angry", what do you call them? What do you call lashing out at multiple people because of their posts? Doesn't matter your reason. To put it another way, self-defense is still often violent, even if it is genuine self-defense.
When I speak, I can only speak for the U"S. I know nothing about other countries laws.
Saddly, however, methods of making money are not always seen as moral by some, but perfectly moral to others. Taking the bait, in this case is the question.
Zoners are smart.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There's nothing wrong with his initial offer. I wouldn't personally recommend going for it, but hey; if you've had, or know someone who has had, any amount of success with that sort of thing, then by all means, go for it if you want. But when you offer something like that, you are bound to come across some rather harsh criticism sooner or later. Do you keep your confidence; answer the questions; stay professional? Or do you buckle under the pressure and lash out? In this case, it was definitely the latter. That's really where he lost me, at least in terms of where he went *wrong*.
Sho, ya right!
Hey overdrive, i'm massively interested in your offer. Please get in touch with me next time your logged in. I want some leads, and I want some money.
man, are you serious? lol
I would tell you my theory, but that would blow his cover, if I am in fact correct. Lol.
Lamers. Bitchy, bitchy, bitchy lamers.
Loners in what way? No easy money, no company? Hmm?
You're the lame bitch. No one even braught this up for a long, long time. Quit being such a little attention seeking baby, and get a fucking life.
looks like someone's fishing for money again. hmmmm. bringing up the board to the top of the list just to have someone read the promotional bullshit... desperate again, are we?
*sticks my hand in the money jar!
I will now clarify the .ws domain extention. All of these two-letter codes are country codes. WS represents Samoa, which because it has very little activity actually going on there, has little use for the website address. This is the case with many very small islands where the population is less than that of certain U.S. cities, and they typically release the web domains for a decreased cost. The loan exception I am aware of is Tuvalu, whose .tv extention is well-desired for television stations. However, have you ever gone to a .tk extention? This is for the Pacific island nation of Tokelau, which has few people and is basically a few islands without many computers. Thus, .tk extentions are free for those that will provide their own server. See
this site
for the description from the Tokelau government of this service. I am unaware whether Samoa's .ws extention is similar or simply a reduced cost. Anyway, the .ws domain is neither a scam nor is it inherently insecure. Of course, this is completely unrelated to the security of the service described in this post. I simply want to clarify that the .ws domains should not be mistrusted expressly for this purpose. For me, long live Tokelau.
Apologies, the link in my previous post doesn't appear to work, although I don't know why. The address is
www.dot.tk
That dude had it correct, whitch makes the .ws and .tk domains so profittable. Guys if your looking to make money in 1 week or less, all your going to find is scams. The links that I post, are the companies that are making me the most money online. With anything like this, it all depends on how much time you put in to the program. Its obviously not "free" money, your going to have to put some time and effort in to it and thanks to one of my many sponcers, Mr. Birdsall, I am going to be relecing a free online course worth $1997. Absolutely free. If you follow all these instructions that he gives you, you are garentied to make money. The only things you have to do is commit your self to the course for 90 days. If you follow the instructions as spoken in the videos, you should start recieving income after just 30 days.
Why do alot of people fail at online marketting? They go about it all the wrong way. They promote to friends and family whitch is something that won't make you any income online. Guys, the things I share with you actualy work, they really really do. Yes their are going to be some costs like websites and hosting and all that other crap. Let me put it to you this way. A big building to wallmart is a website to online marketing. You can't have one with out the other. Wallmart needs big buildings to hold all there products, comfortable work enviroments for there staff. In order to market products online, you need to have a website that people can go to to view offers and products or what ever your marketing. Look guys, its not easy, but its not super hard ither.
Alot of you didn't like the .ws domains that I was offering, so I'm going to give you one better. You don't need to pay for anything, nothing! The course is all free.
Before I post the link for the course, I need to know, Because this course is free and it contains the most psymplified instructions on how to make money online, how many of you will actualy take a leap of faith? I do alot of research on stuff like this guys and this oppertunitty I'm about to offer you, you can't lose, because its free!
I will be posting again in a cupple weeks and if I get atleast 2 people willing to take the chance, I will post this $1997 course, absolutely free. I hope all of you arn't skeptics.
You can't compare this to Wall Mart, at all. Lol. Bet you were doing well for a while, but not so much now?
Sorry you didn't like my analagy. It was the only one I could think of at the time.
Hello:
First of all, let me clarify that this actually isn't a job, but a business opportunity, so with any business opportunity or business that is starting up you need to invest money. Therefore, given this scenario, you do need to start with some investment. The question though then becomes, how much investment did you have to put down in order to gain your proffit. Affiliate marketing, or mlm marketing is indeed very proffitable, however, like any other type of selling, you have to know what you're doing. Those who claim this type of marketing is easy lie to you, because affiliate marketing is not easy for everybody to learn. It might be easy for you but not for others. I do thank you for the opportunity you are describing here though, and am glad you are sharing it with those who could benefit from it... Even if it may be only to gain a potential lead.
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Well, there you go, that is a product.
I've heard of this guy online, while working on my Solavei business. I have the technical background to be behind what Solavei is doing, but no online marketing experience, and most of what's online talks about brands, etc., which is great if you are creating your own product, and not so great if you are taking a product you personally use and know that works to other people.
I'm going to check out this program, learn what I can, and use it to build my Solavei business.
Thanks for putting it out there. Like they said, it's not a job, it's a business opportunity. I'd encourage anyone who's doing anything like this to not pay nickel and dime fees to places, or start building websites, or any of that. There's already so much content on the web, what you want is to direct people to the content you already have.
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OK for all that are curious or otherwise skepticl, I'm going to explain for you Overdrive's offer.
I have personally owned several businesses before and so I fully understand both the skepticism and the need for transparency.
I started his sponsor's training yesterday, which is, as he said, free. It looked like it was aimed to help you learn to take advantage of online affiliate markets, something more and more of us are going towards, because it doesn't mean friends and family, and it doesn't mean spam if it's done correctly. Meaning, targeted approaches.
However, this guy is an affiliate marketer for the 50.TrialBux.com service. That service is marketed as an affiliate program, but what it is is a way to look at, and try, a trial offer of something you're interested, be it NetFlix or Lifelock, or anything else.
In order to participate in this guy's training, you need to activate the 50.TrialBux.com user account, which means you have to get 5000 trialbux, their virtual currency.
To do that, you need to spend money, period. Surveys on there will at most get you 110 trialbux a pop and your best bet to achieve the 5000 needed is to apply for the Discover Card which will give you over 3000 to start and participate in some other high-paying offers. Again, fine print, kids. I did not do the card, as our family is aiming at a debt-free existence and we're not really taking on cards.
A card like this is going to require that you use it. Again, that's not unfair: it's a trial service, meaning you have to actually try the things out.
The training is not a scam, even though transparency here is really limited. When you sign up with 50.TrialBux, you are by definition an affiliate of theirs, whether you use that or not, and this guy's content management system will take your username and no doubt help you learn how to generate traffic to that site. This isn't about learning SEO, or developing content management systems, it's about learning how to do targeted marketing. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's an area of education that no matter what you're doing, it actually would help us all. Including those of us involved in volunteer efforts.
In short, his training is aiming to teach you how to find out where the fish are.
What's not so transparent is that in order to participate, you have to sign up for offers and spend money. Go check out his link: sign up with a spammable email accuont like I did: one I never use except for test-driving these types of online things.
And if right now you are in the market for things that are in the 50.TrialBux.com suite of offers, that will benefit you.
You're not going to get there doing surveys. There just aren't enough surveys, and you can't qualify for them all, and furthermore, they're 30 to 110 trialbux a pop, and your goal to activate is 5000.
Here's what I do want you to think about though: transparency. Anyone who's asked, or goes and looks on my Solavei topics, will note that I am absolutely up-front, crystal clear on dollar amounts to get in, no exceptions.
The clap trap about it takes hard work is positively insulting. Everyone knows that: I've been working since I was 15 years old and I'm 42. Give me a break. Thirty to sixty minutes a day is a pittence, and we've all spent that much time doing any number of other things to advantage ourselves. That's easy. But anyone wanting to get into this particular program on this thread is going to have to do that work, yes, but will need to spend money above and beyond, and watch your fine print.
A real challenge might be for someone to deploy a training system that required action without spending money until you had earned some first.
Unlike some on here, I don't just snivel and say that I'm suspicious or pooh pooh everything just because pooh poohing is popular, and keeping people imprisoned in the corporate, barely-making-it-existence is the order of the day.
No, I gave it a good look and was prepared to give it a good run. However, I'm not spending household money to sponsor it. Time and effort? Sure. Put in some time, make a little, invest it perhaps and make a little more with more time and effort. That is how this is marketed. But that's not how it actually works.
And don't give me this "All businesses take money to start," bs. I've bought brick and mortar before. Let me tell you: one way to make a real entrepreneur walk straight out the door? Lack of transparency, especially about how much it's going to cost up front. Notice I gave you dollars and cents on Solavei.
Again, this isn't a scam: a scam means you are going after one thing and get another. This is what is known as a lack of transparency. The difference between you signing up and doing your own 50.trialbux and doing it through him, is he has the machinery and experience to assist in learning the online network targeting skills it takes to make it really work.
So I personally have not written it off, but I'm not going to spend money I don't have, or draw from sources that should not be drawn from. That is the worst way to start any sort of venture. I budgeted in my costs for Solavei, yes, but I also receive benefit from just using it every single day: it's my phone. Granted, I'm paying for my old number also, but that is because it's still wrapped in a family contract.
I would have been more impressed with this opportunity calling itself free training and all, if what you did was follow the program, generate traffic through their system, and then later on after you'd earned something from it, then you could put what you'd earned as an investment into the affiliate program, in this case the 50.trialbux.com offfers. Honestly? That's not a bad service, if there are things you've wanted to check out and are already planning to do one way or the other. and the content management / training system of his is pretty straightforward as well. An hour a day is peanuts. However, losing it on the financial transparency front is a Business 101 failure, no matter what psychobabble words get wrapped around it. Again, spending what you don't have, and getting into a whole suite of cancellation requests is no way to start a business. I don't think you can really get behind it, and sappy as it sounds, passion is key to any venture you're on.
Weird to say 'passion' and mobile service at the same time, but for me that is it with Solavei: I can stand behind what they're doing 100%. Not just the contract-free mobile service, but the partnerships they're developing with retail and other establishments where the Solavei card will pay back like a club membership does. But from the get-go, you know what it costs to get in, and anybody who is sponsoring you to get in should be up front with you about that. I know I am. As I said, I've bought brick and mortar. I know how business financing works, and it's all about the transparency in cost. Budgets aren't psychology or religion or new age, they are real and have numbers that have meaning and limits.
So there ya go: I've laid this one wide open, but not as a foot-stamping fake skeptic. I'm the real deal: I've got the balls to check things out rather than criticize off the sidelines. Again, if you take this whole thing apart and say, Yes I want to use the TrialBux service and offers, go ahead. I'll go so far as to say, I wouldn't do so without this guy's training as it seems to be founded on a pretty straightforward content-management system. But this is not just about effort and time. This is gonnna cost you financially. Just make sure it doesn't cost your babies, and that you check out these offers and have a good head for fine print. If you have trouble with fine print, or are an impulse buyer, skip this one.
To further prove that I am transparent, even if they are not, if I do find offers that work and cost you and your Babies no money, I will line it up for you on this topic: how much you get in TrialBux, what the prequalifications are (there are always prequalifications), and how much time each takes.
By the way, part of the 60 mins per day is not doing a ton of surveys: he's counting on you getting 5000 very quickly, as are they, which means purchases.
But if there is a way to do it without financial investment, I will put it up here. Any business venture requires having a real roadmap. So does even an outreach effort for your volunteer activities, or anything else in life. Real roadmaps involve absolute and total transparency, period, no discussion.
You don't have to do the trialbux thing. Why he put trial bux in the course was for people who have never online marketted before and this just gives them a clear track to run on. You don't have to apply trialbux you can take other methods in that course and apply them to your already existing bizness. The course is to guide you in the write direction and if you don't no anything about affilliate companies there is some in the course whitch you have the OPTION of choosing. Yes with trialbux you have to complete offers, or do surveys, but the free methods are obviously going to take a little longer, but if you stick with it, you will see results.
Remember none of the companies he has mentioned you have to use. If you already have something started and just need to learn different and uneak ways to aquire traffic and leads.
I said that the course was free, and the course is free. If you want to take the marketing methods that he offers and apply them to another affilliate, its completely up to you. Me personally I enjoyed the trialbux because I got gifts for some birthdays, bizness cards for cheap, and the wrest of my points wher by free offers and surveys. Its all about how you want to go about it. If you pay attention to any of the lessons, he says that these are optional, they are reccamended but not manditory in to making money online.
Look threw the courses and take what you've learned and apply them to something. You don't have to use trialbux.
Its just there to help the complete newby have a clear path.
If there was no affilliate companies in the course, and the newby didn't know where to find affilliate sights, honestly what would be the point in the course?
Paul just wants newcomers to online marketting to have a clear track to run on, not get stuck in trying to diside with all these companies.
It takes you from newby to advanced.
Watch the courses, you havent givin it enough time.
If you think success is going to happin in 1 day, then I wish you luck in all your indevers.
It says in the courses that you can get your 5000 trialbux for free its just going to take a bit longer then paid methods.
Its not going to happen over night.
If you think that I think success happened overnight, you sure have never read anything I've ever written on here.
I can see you could go through the course without Trialbux, however, that is perhaps gaming the system a bit, in that he makes money based on you using Trialbux. Again, nothing at all wrong with Trialbux, it's just important to put it all out there up front:
here's our training program, we back it using Trialbux which you can read about here, and we show you how to use a marketing system using that as an example.
What he does makes sense: I simply put a call out for more transparency to make things clear. But baby statements about success not happening overnight, and said to someone who clearly laid out business principles, is not going to win credibility.
If I can find a way for users to make the five thousand points using Trialbux, I'll gladly post it on here. However, to proceed to Step 3, you need a TrialBux account and username. That part of course is easy, and doing a read through the offers is certainly time well spent before you try any of them.
You said you can work you way up to five thousand without spending money? Great: let's quit with the baby statements and be transparent: which ones? As I've said, I've owned brick and mortar before. So just like I wasn't fooling around with psychobabble statements there, I'm not doing it online either. So let's hear it: which ones?
I've given numbers - 30 to 110 Trialbux a pop - which anyone can see by looking on their site. and that is only after you qualify to take the surveys.
So let's stop with the silly statements about "it takes effort." Of course it does, we all know it does, everything does. Instead, let's get serious, and get serious means lay it out there. Meaning, let's delineate on here which offers will get you there. Again people I'm speaking real numbers if nobody else will do it: 30 to 110 Trialbux a pop for the free ones, and you need at least 5000 to activate. Now, if you need a Discover Card, and read the fine print, or a couple other things in the expensive range, if they're things you need and they are in your budget, this is a great way to spend it and get the job done.
I'll check out the remaining vids after work today. And gladly admit if I'm wrong. I simply assumed he needed an active Trialbux account - not just a username - to make the additional steps work. I can understand how that would happen. It's a lot more feasible to invest time than it is to invest money.
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Also, if anyone is wondering howcome it doesn't say youtube anywhere in the link, that is because my sponcer put it in his auto responder then sent it to me.
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